And on those counts, Kenshin is leaps and bounds ahead, being more invested at an ideological level caring more about what happens to the government and a personal level redeeming his own legacy as hitokiri , contrasted to Hiko's personality "twisted, brusque and misanthropic" and politics the Hiten sword must maintain its independency from factions. All of this is set up within the narrative itself, which is why Kenshin didn't bother asking his master to help him out.
Of course, protecting the weak from roving bandits is right within his wheelhouse, which is why he is willing to protect the Aoya. Essentially it is because it is not his fight, this is the symbolic end of Kenshin's arc as an assassin. Kenshin knew this and that is why he only asked Hiko to make sure his loved ones were safe.
For the story it would be boring because he would just waltz in and kill everyone in a couple minutes, maybe seconds. Hiko Seijuro is the best swordsman in this universe by far, he is superman. He is stronger, faster, more skilled and more experienced than Kenshin.
Kenshin hit him with Amakakeru because Seijuro forced him to in order to teach him how to do it. The only area where Kenshin measures up is heart, he may even surpass Hiko in this.
He very well could have. However that's not the final lesson he wished to bestow. He let Kenshin do so, namely because in actuality it's partially his mechanations that caused this circumstance with Shishio in the first place. Mush like the Sith in Star Wars, Ascension to Master requires typically the student kill the master by perfecting the final technique.
The master-apprentice dynamic continues to point of succession in which the apprentice graduates by successfully besting the master in a life or death struggle. Practitioners of Hiten Mitsurugi style of swordsmanship; capitulated to Maintain independence of any and all political entities, stressing highly the importance of wielding its expertise in the name of humanity; and NOT serving any political, government or institutional body.
Hiko was right. The author of the Manga stated that Hiko is too powerful and would make all encounters trival and boring. He has always opposed Kenshin, but Saito does respect him a lot and also takes his side during a fight if the need arises. Since Saito is ambidextrous, he can confuse his opponents with his ability to quickly switch his dominant hand during a fight. Seta Sojiro is the right-hand man of the main antagonist, Shishio Makoto, and a well-trained swordsman.
Sojiro is an expert in hiding his emotions and always wears a smile on his face, which makes him difficult to read during a combat. Since he was abused as a child and was saved by Shishio, Sojiro is very loyal to him and considers Shishio a father figure in his life. Sojiro is known for his Shukuchi. During battle, Sojiro can move so quickly that his movements cannot be perceived by the human eye. Sojiro also combines his speed with his sword technique that proves to be especially deadly.
However, after he is blinded by Shishio, he is discarded and deemed worthless. Usui soon discovers that he has developed a high sense of hearing. To take his revenge on Shishio, Usui joins Juppongatana and is considered as the second strongest of the group. Usui uses a spear and a shield during battles and can attack the opponent quickly and multiple times.
Due to his high sense of hearing, Usui can sense the movements and emotions of his opponents quickly, and he calls it is Mind's Eye. Obsessed with defeating the main protagonist, Shinomori Aoshi is one of the strongest characters in the series. Having obtained the leader position of Oniwabanshu at the age of 15, Aoshi is clever during planning and combat.
Both are way below the quality of the anime and Trust and Betrayal. I've also watched the live action movies, but none of them could convince me to be honest.
Have to give them credit for their effort though. Any thoughts? True, only Saito fought Kenshin when Kenshin was willing to kill.
However, after further training from Hiko, Kenshin is said to access his full swordsman potential, just without his killing intent. Thus, Aoshi also fought Kenshin at his peak, and he was defeated by Kenshin's ultimate technique, a move Saito never had to face.
Regardless, Saito and Aoshi are both undoubtedly quite skilled, and I can respect the viewpoint of Saito being stronger. I have seen Trust and Betrayal, and highly recommend it to Kenshin fans who haven't.
Loved it, even have a few tracks from it on my mp3. It finally shows how lethal Kenshin was a Battosai and revisits some familiar faces. You also seem to know a lot about Kenshin. I've been kind of busy these last few months, so I apologize for my rather late response.
Here are my thoughts: Aoshi indeed becomes stronger after mastering the 2 blades and, unlike Saito, fights Kenshin after the latter masters the final attack. However, Aoshi didn't fight Kenshin during the revolution, a period where Kenshin becomes known as the manslayer for his ruthless killing. Saito and the other Shinsengumi-captains did fight Kenshin on multiple occasions, with all fights being inconclusive.
And although incomplete when compared to the Kenshin who masters the final attack, the Kenshin during the revolution appears more dangerous as he would probably kill everyone who is in his way. During their first fight after 10 years, Kenshin could have decapitated Saito were it not for the reversed-blade sword.
But then again, Saito was holding back the whole time as well and could have stabbed Kenshin with his first Gatotsu if he had used his full strength. When both become serious, the fight again ends inconclusive.
You could have a valid point about Aoshi's tactical analyses against Shishio. However, as Saito lives by the code of the samourai, I think stalling time wouldn't be something Saito would do, especially as a former Shinsengumi-captain. I would say that, even though he knows that he can't beat Shishio in his current condition, he still fights him 'because he lives and dies by the sword', perhaps hoping on a lucky stab with the zero stance.
During the show, I think Saito shows that his analytical en tactical skills are peerless. On another note, did you watch the OVA 'Trust and betrayal'? If you haven't, I would strongly recommend it. Although being more 'dark and sad' and having a different drawing, I believe it's truly a masterpiece, perhaps even better than the anime. It basically tells the story of Kenshin during the revolution. Would like to hear your thoughts on that as well!
The captain of the first squad of the Shinsengumi was said to be on par with Saito, where others state he was the srongest of the Shinsengumi.
Unfortunaltely, he dies of tuberculosis during the Bakamatsu. Thanks man! To be honest, Fuji was never one of my favorite characters his giant size contradicts with the semi-realistic feel of the show , but simply being that large certainly grants a major advantage.
Yes, Saito vs. Aoshi is definitely a hard match to call. Another point I'd like to make is that Shishio renowned for being very intelligent and analytical admits the fight could go either way when asked if Kenshin or Aoshi will prevail, showing he has faith Aoshi could potentially defeat Kenshin. Hiko Seijuro is without a doubt the strongest swordsmen in the series. Even the creator himself said so.
In fact, the character is so strong that the author was unable to include the character in too much of the plot. Simple because Hiko would've solved all of Kenshin's problems in perhaps less than 10 seconds' time.
I feel like Fuji should be mentioned somehow. I think Fuji is severely underrated. Fuji's monstrous size came with: a tremendous durability b tremendous strength. Every time I tried to think about it, I still have trouble imagining how Shishio might be able to take down Fuji. I kept thinking about the effects of Shishio's techniques might have had on Fuji.
For instance, Guren Kaina might have given Fuji a what? Foot blister? It is unsurprising to see somewhat of a debate between the rankings of Aoshi and Saito. Both are good, no doubt. The only problem I have with Saito is the inflexibility of his techniques. Who knows, maybe Saito does have other techniques in his arsenal. But I think if Saito and Aoshi were to fight each other, it would all boil down to tactics and strategy, or maybe the knowledge and insight into the other's techniques.
Because in terms of skills and techniques, both have techniques to counter the other. For instance, Aoshi's Ryusui water flowing technique would make it difficult for Saito's Gatotsu to connect. But in my opinion, I think that Saito might have a slight edge. Of course, if Aoshi had known in the first place the existence of the Zero Shiki, then things would be different. Thanks for your well-thought out and polite response. I can tell you definitely know a lot about this series!
Here's my thinking: Perhaps Saito is stronger than Aoshi during Aoshi's first fight with Kenshin, but Aoshi definitely seems stronger after he masters his two blades. Kenshin and Saito's clash had no conclusion, true, but Kenshin landed a blow to Saito's neck at one point that, had Kenshin been wielding a normal sword like Saito was, would have decapitated him, making me think that Kenshin's skill at the point prior to his re-training is superior to Saito.
With Shishio, it's true that Saito's attack would have killed him were it not for his hidden head-guard, but this was a surprise attack, and little reflection of superior skill.
Even Saito's ultimate hidden form of the Gotetsu something Shishio hadn't seen before was countered effortlessly. Aoshi who also was injured, like Saito, from before the contest not only lasted longer, but recognized that his best chance was to stall for time rather than attack an opponent he could not beat.
In short, Aoshi had to fight and almost won against Kenshin at his peak, something Saito never did, utilized a superior strategy against Shishio, and took out Sano faster than Saito ever did.
I the 2 battles where Kenshin fought Aoshi, the former came out twice on top although with a very small margin , whereas the battles between Kenshin and Saito had no winner even during the Bakumatsu. Saito was even toying around with Kenshin at first when they met in the Doyo. On the other hand, he was able to beat Aoshi the first time as well, without having learned the final technique. It was stated by Watsuki himself that, if Kenshin and Saito were to have a rematch, Saito would win.
I feel like Aoshi is missing this kind of 'inner convinction'. You correctly indicate in your text that Aoshi was the only one out of 4 not being knocked out by Shishio. However, I feel like you're missing a critical point here.
Saito besides having severly injured legs was trying to actually kill Shishio and would have succeeded if not for the hachigane , whereas Aoshi was only stalling the fight, buying time for Kenshin to recover. Furthermore, Shishio possesses the unique ability to neutralize any attack he's seen before, making it even thougher for Saito due to his inflexible Gatotsu-technique.
I'm also not a big fan of the reasoning that, if a beats b and b beats c, automatically a is stonger than c. With that being said, I honestly think that we'd have to look at every character seperatly and making top 5's or 10's is very difficult. Seta could for example potentially win from every character in a fight, due to his theoretical universal superiority in speed. To conclude, I think Aoshi is a very lethal fighter.
He's very smart, fast and combines great techniques with kenpo. He'd be a very though opponent for Saito, no doubt about it. However, I really believe that Saito is his superior in almost every aspect, having much more experience, battle-awareness and being more ruthless. However, as I've stated before, the key element which would make Saito victorious in almmost every batle is his strong conviction, that of 'Aku Soku Zan'.
I respect your view; we can agree to disagree. Saito gets loads more screen-time than Aoshi, causing many fans to favor him. However, in my opinion, Aoshi both did better against Kenshin and took out Sanosuke much faster than Saito.
Nice list, good written as well, but I'd rank Saito higher than Aoshi. Perhaps even above Shoshio.. I totally agree with you regarding the ranking of the 5 strongest Swordsmen of Rurouni Kenshin.
The most surprising thing is that I also think of the same reasons of not including the honorable mentions in the list of top 5. Animated Shows. Animated Films. As the duelists stand after the clash, Hiko reveals to Kenshin that, because Kenshin had taken so many lives, he had come to unconsciously believe that his own life was absolutely worthless. This belief served as a foundation for Kenshin's misery, and only by overcoming it could he overcome the assassin and find peace in life.
Kenshin rushes Hiko back to his house and gives him what he believes to be powerful medicine, hoping to save him. The following morning, Hiko, fully recovered, wakes Kenshin up by kicking him and tells him to get a move-on. Kenshin, extremely relieved, leaps at Hiko to hug him, only to crash into a set of shelves as Hiko dodges.
After mentioning somewhat unnecessarily that he doesn't want a hug from Kenshin, he reveals that "medicine" Kenshin gave him was just water that Hiko used as a placebo to stop Kenshin from panicking over a bite he received from a non-venomous snake. He then offers Kenshin the weighted cloak as testament to the fact that Kenshin had learned the succession technique, but both quickly agree that it would look ridiculous on Kenshin.
He is later seen arriving at the Kyoto branch of Oniwabanshu just in time to save Yahiko from the giant Fuji. He manages to both block a strike from Fuji, who was capable of cleaving the Aoi-Ya inn in half, and push Fuji's sword aside. He then asks Yahiko if he is injured, and while Yahiko seems to be fine, he is annoyed that Hiko seemed to arrive at the most dramatic possible moment. Hiko blames Kenshin for this, saying that Kenshin never actually gave him directions, so he had to wander all over Kyoto before he found where he was supposed to be going.
After a short talk with Fuji about how, despite his size, Fuji was a warrior and not a monster, the two face off. After Kenshin returns and recovers, he is seen at Tomoe's grave with Kenshin, who had finally overcome his woes and accepted his dark past as part of himself, despite his sins.
As Kenshin's childhood prior to the days of his life as the Hitokori was expanded upon, Hiko's design was simplified so his hairstyle and cape would be easier to draw, and his personality was revamped to the somewhat self-absorbed but still selfless and just warrior he is. In January , it was revealed that Hiko would appear in Rurouni Kenshin: Kyoto Inferno , the second live-action film adaptation based on the series, portrayed by Masaharu Fukuyama. He appears briefly at the very end of the film, finding Kenshin unconscious on a beach.
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